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Talking to a marina manager at the weekend. Said he had thought of switching over to white diesel to save the hassle of keeping records for the taxman. But then said he had been persuaded not to because some people claimed that white diesel was "over-refined" and so not good for marine engines. Other people I know swear by running their boats on white diesel to keep the "bug" at bay, and say that red diesel in "under-refined" and so not good for marine diesels. Is this all an "urban myth"? Are there really any benefits is using white or red diesel, or are they equally good/bad?
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In my opinion the only reason the diesel bug is more prevalent in boats than in cars is that firstly there is a far greater turn over of fuel throgh a car fuel tank;and secondly marine tanks whether on board or at marina fuel pump get left over long periods of time in very varied temperatures encouraging bugs to multiply.

Phil

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Big Boy with Stephenson Second engine are going.
 

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Ride it where ?

 For using on llittle boat too Posible find fuel witout taxation.

Andrew

ps Need  new electronic valave drive system.

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Hi Cathy and Phil, doesn't diesel at the roadside pump have all the 'goodies' in it, some of which stop diesel bug, so that some of the extra cost means you are purchasing a more advanced fuel? 
Edited: 14/11/08 10:42
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There's a good article on diesel fuel issues here:

http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/e20081011/

 Under the title: So you think you know diesel.

As always, it is more complex that would like.

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Hi Richard, the Professional Boatbuilder on line magazine from where the diesel fuel issue is disgussed at your advised website above, looks very good. I've done a free sub and have already become absorbed in some of the info, ta  Scotty
Edited: 14/11/08 12:18
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If you read the press you will see that HM C&E have announced a special low rate of VAT on Red diesel!!!!!
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Welcome back Andrew F - I knew this site had mileage in it.

 David:

Is there a web address re HMRC??

I get the impression they are running hot and cold. Can't imagine how they are going to monitor / enforce such an elastic regulation (sic).

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Take a look at the RYA web site, its simple thev've just cut the rate to 5% on Red for marine propusion, easily policed, asyou'll understand if you've ever had to do a Vat return! Oh i just love doing a day's work for someone else and then writing a cheque to them aswell !!
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David:

This what I posted aboved re. HMRC Brief 49/08 dated 6 Oct 08. This refers to 5% VAT - but the road tax is astronomic and, it seems to me, likely to make white diesel cheaper for us that red.

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My grandfather worked as engineer on railroad .......
Unfortunately, it has died before I have been born ..

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What is this?

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This is a hydraulic pump of widmill 

Manner of utilization is next my proposal instead of mechanical transmission
in producing windmills electric current :Hallf Rotete Pump
Main principle of operation on following drawing and has enclosed animation
Solution has many advantages from haf rotate pump. Expensive
substitute is first most important and noisy, emergency transmission
of mechanical windmill .
It is presented next advantage on former drawing
for one dynamo driven manner of connection
of whole farm of windmill hydraulic engine serious too.
This way, we save several most expensive elements of windmills,
treating such farm windmill as integrity .( Complex design)

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Regards Andrew Santa Claus

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Two sites have been established by TMS members for the benefit of other, soon to be homeless members.

Both sites - Richard's and Wolfie's - are attracting a trickle of members, but there is an overlap... with TMS disappearing in 48 hrs, the opportunity to publicise either or both and get many more members will soon be gone....

so at risk of repeating ourselves

http://www.compass-deliveries.com/apps/forums

http://www.sailers.co.uk/forum

...are both available to orphaned TMS members who want to keep in touch and sustain the community

Come on everybody - sign up to one or other and keep the TMS family together

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Star engines were characterized biggest always force density.

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Happy New Year  Andrew

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What a fabulous "goobyeee" Andrew - I only hope the web sites that succeed TMS will be able to accept and publish your imaginative machines.

Happy and Imaginative New Year to you also.

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Thanks Peter !

Some advantages "cylinder/piston"design:
1.
Significant smallest mass a lot turning, but that goes behind  it, masses of inertia are small for such such array. For example, for one kit one ( four cylinder ) only rod.
Due to capability behind assistance of joint in pivot of crush many cylinder, for 16 even " cylinder ", one remains further only rod.

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Mass is put in  majority also near pivot of turn " crush " very, that causes that power of inertia are relatively small .

Theoretical exemplar it on inertie :

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Largeness depends on pivot in square on distance . But main mass is concentrated this "piston" pivot of turn near , rally will be relatively small inertia.


In amount, waste of mass so significant  reflexive , for the same jumping capacity of conventional engine and my, boost of physical efficiency causes, but that goes for decrease of expenditure of fuel it.
Facility of cooling of crush also, through feeding of water by pivot of turn of crush, and then,  excellent cooling , it makes it possible boost of degree of compressing ( proficiency ), but, at low emission NOx.
All these above-mentioned advantages, they cause that this solution has better physical proficiency has significantly, than conventional .

2.
Considerable advantage of such solution, easiest technology of execution is about many "piston/cylinder ". Cylinder, it does not need exact processing very, as nothing slides after it, it can be executed as extracted from aluminum profile , in ready for service version .Accuracy of execution is in this case  completely enough. Inaccidentally of aluminum cast, there would be ready without no engine processing for use it .
However, it requires "piston" on generall purpose machines polishing only.
This technology is cheapest about many, than hitherto existing, it required which  (proceeding ,polishing) machine.General repair of engine relies on exchange also only seals, "piton" and ball bearings, without taking out crakcase .

3.
And most important advantage
All can be closed in this engine type ball bearings.It signifies with solid lubrication in means. (the same type as in wheel of cars ball bearings).  So, all can work without traditional oil. Possibly, crunching requires oiling crush of /cylinder only. But it to very minimal amount, because crunching only just.
If we will employ array on piston e.g. Telon- (surface of piston only) stainless steel,
 ceramic - stainless steel, or ceramic -ceramic(lubrication water),or similar arrays, it will work without oil engine completely oiling.
Thus, whole crank  case, it can be opened completely and there to be cooled swimming air.

4.
Due to outsized margin of  "piston in cylinder", any  kind of deforming thermal or mechanical, will not have critical meanings as conventional engines so .

This my solution has such advantages in  generality " cylinder/piston "

Regards Andrew 


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